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Holly Elmore's avatar

I want to add a concern that may be niche to the rationalist community but speaks to the general fear of failed marriage and is looming large in my decision whether or not to marry my life partner: what the promise of marriage should be. I don’t think marriage is or should actually be a promise to be together forever, but I also think a lot of the value of marriage is lost if you say something implying “maybe we’ll break up tho” in your vows. I think the commitment to the aspiration of being together for life is a lot of the added value of marriage, but it seems dishonest if you’re crossing your fingers behind your back as you say “til death do us part”, fully aware that there are plenty of circumstances in which you’d divorce.

My concerns about this are very similar to my feelings about the GWWC pledge, which I have taken and intend to keep my entire life, but I think is okay for people to break if it’s bad for them or not the best way for them to do good anymore. Many rationalists think this is community norm-corrupting dishonesty and doublethink. I might not take the pledge again today due to my greater awareness of all the unanticipated changes and circumstances that make it unrealistic to promise anything forever (I’m now divorced!), and I would prefer to have a concise pledge I could take today without reservation, but I feel something really valuable is lost when we can’t use aspirational vows. The point is to commit ourselves to living up to the vow, not to make the most accurate prediction of what will happen or leave ourselves plenty of room to fail.

This sounds super niche as I read it over, but I’m in your demographic and this is honestly my #1 obstacle to getting married again. I need a way to get what I want out of marriage (recognition of the paramount role we play in each other’s lives, being recognized as family, commitment device) without starting a marriage by making a promise that’s false on its face (divorce *is* an option but we want a ceremony and commitment that affirms forsaking all others and settling down).

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Samantha Andrews's avatar

Thanks for writing this, Priya! I think it's a really interesting and important topic. Point no. 5 stood out to me: "They had trouble articulating to themselves and their partners why they valued getting legally married vs. staying in a long-term partnership without involving the state." I am in a committed LTR with a man and we have been engaged since early 2020. We both talk about getting married, but there is an anti-establishment part of me that wants to have kids without getting married at all. Somehow this feels more romantic?

I'm not opposed to getting married, but oftentimes it feels like this is something that I would do to check a box in order to avoid awkward conversations with more conservative family members on both sides of the aisle. And that just doesn't feel like a good enough reason! I want better, both practical & romantic reasons!

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